hachitaro: (tch.)
Taro Watanabe ([personal profile] hachitaro) wrote in [community profile] applenet2017-08-13 01:51 am

Backdated to July 30


Taro Watanabe kwdantalion@applenet.net
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Okay no awful lazy typing this is serious time.

So we made out okay last fight, right? But we're gonna have worse fights coming up, I can guarantee that. There's no way that this is over.

So I want everyone to post, if they're comfortable, what kind of stuff they can do. It can either be with those monster things we summoned, or otherwise.

Look, I'll go first.

My thing could do psychic damage, heal, boost stats, and communicate telepathically. I'm also good for general shady stuff like getting in and out of places.

Now it's your turn.

osakanpride: (serious; back on track)

Heiji Hattori ☸ Vassago

[personal profile] osakanpride 2017-08-13 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Why was it when ever they make one step forward, it always felt like they took two steps back? The intentions were well placed and it would be good know who was better at what, but this wasn't the best platform to discuss such sensitive information. Furthermore, this very platform had already been compromised before, and thus was at risk of being compromised again. ]

Why are you openly discussing this kind of information on the application? Did you forget what happened to its security last time? It would be better if this was carried out in private where prying eyes can't see.

[ Thus, he would not participate in this discussion. ]
blackdogdown: (did u kno..he has a sword)

[personal profile] blackdogdown 2017-08-13 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
{Not this guy again.]

ugh

[Thats it, no comment on your logic or anything. Its pretty sound actually. Guts just thinks your a prick. ]
osakanpride: (annoyed; not the desired outcome)

[personal profile] osakanpride 2017-08-14 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Likewise.

Mutual disdain.
]
blackdogdown: (smokin (guts is punched by casca and loo)

[personal profile] blackdogdown 2017-08-15 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
[Great now they can move on with their lives secure in hating eachother. ]
kouteipenguin: (More analysis)

Yuuto Kidou ☸ Eligor

[personal profile] kouteipenguin 2017-08-13 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't disagree with you. However, Luci's mentioned when this was last compromised that using anything else would be worse.

I'm not sure what options we have available at this moment that won't put us in more danger.
osakanpride: (causal; somewhat seriously)

[personal profile] osakanpride 2017-08-14 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Unlike some of the other participants, Heiji actually liked Kidou. Heiji was willing to consider his input. ]

It's possible that this application has the strongest encryption available to our devices, and eliminates any other reliable options.

[ It was difficult to think of a safer method of communication (that wasn't telepathy. ]

Currently, small gatherings in inconspicuous locations is probably the best method available. However, it does limit the application-wide availability and efficient communication.

[ So unless Heiji could come up with an equally convenient, the likelihood of people converting was probably small. He'll have to think on this. ]
kouteipenguin: (Hmm)

[personal profile] kouteipenguin 2017-08-14 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I would place an emphasis on 'small'. Everything we do has the potential of being tracked and watched. In the absence of a full data breach, this app is exempt from this. It's easy to be inconspicuous when doing what you normally would have.

However, a lot of people never would have met or engaged before this. Nothing is without risk. All we can do is manage and attempt to minimize that risk.
osakanpride: (curious; new clue perhaps)

[personal profile] osakanpride 2017-08-14 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Groups of 3-4 in venues that are common for socializing would be the most ideal. [ But that was limiting and not at all efficient.

And Kidou mentioned vital points of the engagement.
]

In theory, this might seem achievable, but I have some doubts even through the use of the application.

Did it occur to the first cycle of awakened participants that there would be a second cycle? We have no means to confirm whether there will be future cycles after this, and the level of risk is marginal to the number of users.
Edited 2017-08-14 17:17 (UTC)
kouteipenguin: (one of many armfolds)

[personal profile] kouteipenguin 2017-08-14 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Most ideal, but also least efficient.

Not that I noticed. Not until a second cycle happened. There was only a narrow gap between the second cycle's arrival and Awakening. However, I believe that there will be future cycles for one reason, if nothing else.

Not everyone who started is with us today. The fate of those who folded was to scatter and go back to sleep. Would it be reasonable to guess that they won't stay asleep forever?
osakanpride: (serious; interrogation)

[personal profile] osakanpride 2017-08-14 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Very inefficient. It would be best among members who typically form together on nights like the one at the school.

[ Outside of that, he can't see it being much more useful than that. ]

Statistically speaking, the probability of an awakening is present if you put it that way. However, fluctuations in the awaken also pose a percentage of risk. As we all know, those in the process of awakening are the most liable and vulnerable.

The best way to minimize unfavorable outcomes would be to address our weaknesses and incorperate safety measures in the event that these weaknesses are exploited.
kouteipenguin: (sakka is serious business)

[personal profile] kouteipenguin 2017-08-14 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Our weaknesses:

We can't gather in large numbers.
We can't change activities without reason.

Because of these two things, we haven't been able to train together as a group. If there is a way around this, I want to know. We are not ready for this challenge. We must overcome this obstacle if we're to stand a chance.

We do not know our enemy.
Our enemy knows about this application's existence. They may not know us personally, but they know us.

In short, our weaknesses are many. The one strength we have is that they do not know who we are individually. Unless the enemy takes extremely drastic measures, our safety - and those who will awaken's safety - is in that. My concern is if in attempting to protect those we identify we accidentally endanger them more.
osakanpride: (serious; having second guesses)

[personal profile] osakanpride 2017-08-14 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Not everyone who was in battle made use of their strengths.

[ Heiji would know. He was one of them. ]

Collecting individual statements isn't as difficult as it sounds. It's required in my line of work. Besides, majority of the participants are students which narrows the search radius.

[ He said too much, personally, in his recent statement, but Heiji was trying to make a point. ]
beastfang: (blank)

Koujirou Genda ⚔ Marchosias

[personal profile] beastfang 2017-08-13 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)

While such a concern is something to keep in mind you are not exactly giving any alternatives to make such not the best option. Nor any counter argument that would make one believe there is a better option available right now regarding communication among ourselves regarding everything.


Considering the prowess that Luci and this application has demonstrated in being capable of not being seen and accessible no matter how much you attempt to ignore it, that means that even if you were somehow capable of finding every person upon this application that is still active and either individually hunt them down or bring us all together into one space; there is no way to guarantee your belief of a more secure means then this platform.

Most of this city is electronically wired in someway and it has been shown they can track us through such if they could find this application, many of us are from vastly different backgrounds that did not interact before our memories returned thus meeting in a localized spot as a group is hardly conducive to not drawing attention, and if what is trying to find us is capable of compromising this system then no other system of communication is even remotely safe to use without being vague or keeping all information passed on them to less vital things.

In that same vein Luci at least has shown a proactive ability to keep such compromises brief where nothing else has that net of safety and would rely mostly on our own vigilance and hopes we are being inconspicuous enough to go under the radar.



[AKA Heiji don't start stir up a nest unless you have a good reason because Genda is trying to data mine without having to go through twenty minutes of arguments.]
osakanpride: (Conversing; for answeres)

[personal profile] osakanpride 2017-08-14 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
[ It was true he presented a problem without a solution, so Genda wasn't wrong there. If any one of them were at the level Kudo and he were, they could have just went along with a coded language designed for people involved to understand, but that didn't seem to be the case. Heiji, would at some point, need to address Kudo with some other alternatives. ]

Not everyone has the competency or the capabilities to remain inconspicuous enough even through the use of the application.

[ The detective's intention was not to kick up dirt out of disagreement, but rather to prevent unnecessary death if he could help it. Perpetrators would always try to exploit the weaknesses of their victims. Heiji was no stranger to death, but that didn't mean he was comfortable with seeing more fall victim to it. ]
Edited 2017-08-14 16:36 (UTC)