7/9, backdated - Flowers and Murder

[kokuyoyo]

Chikusa Kakimoto CKastaroth@applenet.net
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I'm going to assume that a day is enough for us to recover well enough over everything, so there are a few things I want to address now that the app has been secured again.

First of all, since it's troublesome only speaking on the app and we never know when it might be compromised again, I made a code for us to use in reference to each other. It's not completely finished but it should give you an idea of what I'm going for. I'm open to any other suggestions on what to add to it. Different demons have been assigned different flowers. Combatants and Navigators can be distinguished by where they "grow".

[insert list here]

Secondly, we need a place to meet up in real life. A few times in the past, the first round has used my dorm, but that isn't sustainable especially since other Awakened are and can be adults. I suggest a school-funded cafe project. Those of us attending Green Valley can use various excuses as an extracuricular activity focusing on economics, cooking, or whatever else. Adults could act as supervisors. Someone is free to mention a better idea.

Finally, I think we should start investigating figures of significance in Eddan and preparing to dispose of them if they turn out to have anything to do with our current situation.

Comments

[kokuyoyo]

I disagree.

If they're involved with this, it's defense.

[spoilsfun]

That is not defense. Defense is protecting yourself from an attack with a reasonable level of force. This is not a reasonable level of force.

This is vigilantism.

Do you even have proof that these people are involved? Do you know which of them are involved? How sure are you that you completely understand the situation?

[kokuyoyo]

I did say 'investigate'.

[spoilsfun]

You can't start an investigation with a presumption of guilt.

[kokuyoyo]

Technically you can.

[spoilsfun]

If you go into a situation with preconceptions, you're more likely to miss evidence that doesn't fit with your theory. Theory should follow evidence, not the other way around.

[kokuyoyo]

There's a difference between "can" and "should".

[spoilsfun]

In this case, there is no can.

[kokuyoyo]

Not yet.

Yuuto Kidou ☸ Eligor

[kouteipenguin]

I agree with Kudo. Stopping a dangerous person need not involve becoming a murderer.

Should we discover that there is someone here behind this, we confront them and work to stop them. Killing them is going way too far.

Makoto Fukami ⚔ Marchosias

[transient_specter]

And if they won't stop, even if you confront them?

Yuuto Kidou ☸ Eligor

[kouteipenguin]

There's always ways to non-lethally disable someone. I doubt we could rely on a court system the way things are now, but even with that drawback, there's got to be a way to handle this.

Makoto Fukami ⚔ Marchosias

[transient_specter]

Look, I'm not advocating murder as a first response. But how are you going to keep someone disabled forever?

Yuuto Kidou ☸ Eligor

[kouteipenguin]

Did you know that we're not the first group here? How long this has been going on, I don't know. Either only Luci is the last person remaining from an earlier group, or he's something else. He's the one to ask about this, either way.

What I do know is, this seems to be a cycle. Are you certain that killing won't simply serve to perpetuate it? That the main force behind this can be killed by normal weapons? What if anyone we could find could be as easily replaced as we can be? Even if it was so easily solved by killing someone, can you say with confidence that no one would have tried already? We must first get answers on our situation before we can begin to speculate on solutions.

...Murder is never a solution. But in this case it could just as easily be a way to lose any chance of getting answers from our enemies.

Makoto Fukami ⚔ Marchosias

[transient_specter]

It's sometimes the only solution you have left.

My world - my worlds, really - was being threatened by someone who I had grown up with. Someone I had cared about. Someone who I trusted. Do you think that I and his brother didn't try to talk sense into him? Do you think that his sister wanted us to kill him? Do you think my sister wanted that, either?

But it was the only solution to keep everyone safe.

Life isn't pretty. It's not neat. Not everyone can be saved. Not everyone will give you answers. And not everyone can be stopped through anything short of murder.

I'm not saying you're the one who has to do it. I'm saying it's something that might have to happen after we try everything else.

Yuuto Kidou ☸ Eligor

[kouteipenguin]

[He pauses for a moment.]

The place I am from is like this one, where prisons are a way to stop people who will not stop. I have to believe that there's always a way around this ... option. It's true that not everyone is willing to give answers, but just finding out that someone can be involved is an answer in itself. They may reveal things without intending to.

It's true that I could never do this. But I don't want anyone else to do this, either. I can't accept the thought that there could be a time when there's no alternative to killing someone.

Makoto Fukami ⚔ Marchosias

[transient_specter]

If they can do all of this, I don't think a prison will help.

It doesn't matter right now anyway. We don't know what's doing this. If it's something like the Great Eye, then they might not even have a body to capture or attack unless we trigger something specific, anyway.

Yuuto Kidou ☸ Eligor

[kouteipenguin]

[The Great Eye...?]

Yeah. That's my suspicion. That if there is anyone that could be dealt with through conventional measures, they're not what is really behind this, and at most such people would be involved lower down. If what they're using can't be hurt by normal weapons, it's likely they can't either.

[kokuyoyo]

Makoto said everything reasonable. If you still won't believe even him, then you're naive.

You clearly don't have a plan, you just hate mine.

[kouteipenguin]

If you've read everything that I said, then I want to know if you can answer those questions.

'We should be ready to kill someone' isn't a plan.

[kokuyoyo]

Was that the only thing I wrote?

[kouteipenguin]

It's the discussion topic at the moment.

[kokuyoyo]

The question still applies.

[kouteipenguin]

If I have a plan?

[kokuyoyo]

If that was the only thing I wrote.